Comments on: The Truth About the Appointment of a Commissioner to the Franciscans of the Immaculate https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/ Breathe Freely Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:37:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Cheryl Connor https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180213 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 12:22:20 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180213 I have been doing a lot of contemplation, lately. I have been somewhat confused/angered/questions left unanswered by the arguments that pertain to this situation. I don’t like being confused. I have asked God to show me ~ here is what I have discerned. I yield to those who are smarter and more in tune with the voice of God then I, so if I err, God I’m sorry. This reflection and my understanding culminated, but did not end with a letter I found to Pope Paul the VI ( the famous ‘installer’ of the New Mass ) from St. Padre Pio. It is the most beautiful letter a Pope could receive, from one of God’s most humble servants. The letter contains not just humble obedience, but authentic love, and authentic, unyielding fidelity to the, Vicar of Christ, on earth. A disposition that I find almost entirely absent in our Catholic culture, and almost entirely lacking by those who claim they are obedient to Holy Mother Church ( just completely disagreeing with the ‘obviously horrendous’ decisions Her Vicar makes ~ like the installation of the New Mass ). All of the heresies that we fight today were birthed, in an era, when the Latin Mass reigned ~ jansenism, arianism, pantheism, freemasonry, etc. Am I correct? So when, Brian Kelly, states that all of today’s problems ( or the vast majority ) stem from the instillation of the New Mass, he can’t be right. No greater mishap has the Church seen then the revolt of, Martin Luther, a devout Catholic priest who served the Latin Mass, probably daily, and revolted along with John Calvin, and a good many ‘devout Catholics’ who had only ever heard/prayed a Latin Mass. The issues faced today cannot, therefore, be pinned on the New Mass. I believe that silence, apathy, and neglect of authentic Catholic catechesis, and NOT the Mass were (and still are) the biggest threat to Catholicism ~ all sins that are birthed in a celebration of what “I” think over and above LOVE and unyielding fidelity to Christ’s Vicar on earth. It doesn’t matter if “I” think that birth control is OK, and flip off the, Barque of Peter, to left, or if “I” think that, Pope Paul the VI, was an idiot for installing the New Mass, and flip off to the right. The water is the same on both sides, and we risk drowning. I believe the solution to this issue lies in this letter ~ not begrudging obedience while still holding onto what “I” think, but authentic, loving, Holy, unyielding obedience to Christ’s Vicar. Here is the letter: http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/PIOPOPE.HTM
God Bless you.

]]> By: JP Borberg https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180173 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 17:18:04 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180173 Good on you Cheryl. You’re welcome.

]]> By: Cheryl Connor https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180160 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:10:30 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180160 Dear JP, I understood the statistics, as presented, in the article. I was very surprised by them. Thank you, though, for posting them in the form that you did above. It makes the gravity of the situation much more clear. God Bless you.

]]> By: JP Borberg https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180152 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 08:11:48 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180152 Fr Angelo,

I said nothing about the writing in the article; my point is simply that the statistics as presented misrepresent the proportion of members who desired immediate intervention.

]]> By: Cheryl Connor https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180133 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:17:00 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180133 Dear Brian, Thank you for taking the time to respond. I know who Anabal Bugnini was, or who people say/think he was. They may be right; I don’t know. The bottom line is that it doesn’t matter. Either the Holy Spirit protects the Church regarding issues of Faith and Morals, or Christ lied. The Pope is protected in his teaching on Faith and Morals, this was officially declared in the Infallibility Doctrine. What Mass have the Popes since V2 prayed publically for decades? To be Roman Catholic we submit to the authority of the Pope. What opened the door to the abuses were those who were looking to promote their own agenda, which they did, to their own destruction. It isn’t the Mass that is the issue. The issue are those who allowed authentic Catholic Catechesis to fall by the wayside.

]]> By: Cheryl Connor https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180132 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 22:07:21 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180132 I would like to post a humble reflection. Pope Francis, is about to consecrate the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This is a once in a lifetime event, a twice in 2,000 years event. The, FFI, is the order dedicated to promoting and hastening the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Yet, the world of Catholic blogs is dedicated, not on the upcoming incredibly blessed event, but on the division… The priests of the FFI are Our Lady’s foot soldiers… if you fight amongst yourselves then you not only break the heart of Our Mother, you weaken the line of defense Our Lady set you up to defend. May I humbly ask you to take the MIM to task, after prayerful, unified contemplation and give us our marching orders. We are supposed to be preparing the world for this consecration, not doing battle with each other. What do you want us to do? You beautiful, FFI priests, are closer than brothers, because you’ve sealed yourselves together with a vow to God, to protect, defend and advance the cause of Our Mother. God Bless you.

]]> By: Brian Kelly https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180128 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:52:26 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180128 Cheryl, what opened the door to the abuses? The Novus Ordo Missae did. Vatican II did not promulgate a New Mass. Paul VI did, by approving the new Mass fabricated by a Liturgical Commission headed by a freemason, arch Annibale Bugnini, with the help of Protestant advisers. The NO was promulgated in 1969, after many “experimental liturgies” were sampled throughout the West. How can you defend the pope’s approving of three novel committee-made canons? I do not say the NO is heretical. I say it is banal and unworthy of God, exception being Canon I. No pope dared to touch the Canon since the last martyr was added to the Nobis Quoque Peccatoribus in the fifth century. Furthermore, what right did the pope have to approve of a truncated Offertory with the addition of a homocentric prayer about wheat and wine, the “work of human hands”? The pope is infallible when he defines. The New liturgy is not a definition of Faith. And my Faith forbids me to believe that the New Mass is heretical or invalid in itself. That does not mean it is “inspired” by God. Can you tell me why these past popes have permitted these abuses that flow from the new liturgy? The scandal is that liturgical loons took over the liturgy and, with the pope’s approval, initiated the abuses from Rome. That is the scandal.

]]> By: Steve https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180127 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:50:20 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180127 “Summorum Pontificum, in law gives every priest anywhere and at all times the RIGHT to offer the TLM, be they secular priests or priests in an order.”

Yes, because our Lord said, “whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven – except for Summorum Pontificum”.

]]> By: Fr Angelo https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180124 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:33:14 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180124 Brian Kelly @ October 1st, 2013 at 1:34 pm

Brian you are taking Cardinal Ratzinger’s preface to Gamber’s book out of context. That is a bit of prooftexting.

]]> By: Dan Hunter https://dev.airmaria.com/2013/09/30/the-truth-about-the-appointment-of-a-commissioner-to-the-franciscans-of-the-immaculate/comment-page-1/#comment-180123 Tue, 01 Oct 2013 20:29:20 +0000 http://airmaria.com/?p=38626#comment-180123 So it seems that there is not unity within the FFI.

This division is not a salutary thing.

I will pray for unity amongst the good friars,

My brother is a novice at Griswold and I love him dearly.

“Summorum Pontificum” of the Holy Father provides the key.

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