Comments on: News – Cardinal Lozano Preaches on Marian Co-Redemption at St. Peters https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/ Breathe Freely Sun, 03 Mar 2019 02:53:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21608 Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:21:01 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21608 I see your point Father Angelo. Catholic Catechism is fading away even in Catholic Schools. Thanks and until then…God Bless.

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By: Fr Angelo https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21559 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:52:03 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21559 Mike,

I respect your concerns and have allowed your comments, including the long quotes from Dominic Falar’s alleged revelations. I appreciate the fact that left unaddressed these revelations could lead souls astray; however, it seems to me, that the best way to address this problem is to give the clearest, simplest and most direct argument. The revelations the alleged seer are so preposterous, in my view, that no in depth analysis is justified, or in any way needed.

The assertion that “Mary is God” is flatly heretical. It is not only contradictory to the Trinitarian faith of Divine Revelation, but also flatly at odds with Natural Theology and the irrationality of polytheism. That is the essence of it. Problem solved.

Falar says:

I prayed to Our Lord and God Jesus Christ and His Most Holy Mother Mary and confided to Them my fears of these revelations given to me. I told Our Lord my fear of offending Him by believing what at that time seemed to be absolute heresy.

This statement is on track. To bad his thought process derailed. The most basic principle of discernment of spirits is to assess whether a given belief, inspiration, desire or revelation is consistent with the deposit of faith. In regard to the consideration of Falar’s assertions, it should have taken him all of ten seconds to realize that the propositions he makes about Our Lady come from hell.

It there are those who need more of an explanation, then I would submit that what they really need is not a refutation of Mr. Falar, but some basic catechism. Falar’s writing does not deserve the attention. Best thing to do is to direct any poor soul under his influence to the First Article of the Creed and its explanation in the catechism.

I think we have gone far afield from the topic of this post.

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By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21528 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:33:50 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21528 correction :

let’s assume we exclude all other possibilities first.

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By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21527 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:27:53 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21527 i got those from dominic falar’s website…it seems he is experiencing some really out-of-this-world-phenomenon. Can Father Angelo give some enlightenment as to the visionary’s messages from a scholastic point of view? – if this is not asking too much.

let’s assume we take all other possibilities first, such as this being a hoax, and judge the writings per see…

maybe some psychiatrist here can also assess the writer’s personality.

that would really be interesting.

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By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21526 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:22:36 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21526 and probably this one too really bothers me…i’m interested as to what happened to this guy:

I prayed to Our Lord and God Jesus Christ and His Most Holy Mother Mary and confided to Them my fears of these revelations given to me. I told Our Lord my fear of offending Him by believing what at that time seemed to be absolute heresy.

And once, I prayed to The Lord and said, “Lord, if it is false and I believed it then I will be condemned to hell. On the other hand, if it is true and I would not believe it then I would have hurt You so deeply because You have trusted me so much and yet I do not believe You. It would be much less painful for You if You are to get angry with me and condemn me to hell than if You will feel betrayed by someone You trusted so much. Anyway, You can easily create and replace me with another servant. Therefore, for love of You I will dare to believe that it is indeed true. For I would rather risk being condemned to hell for all eternity than risk hurting Your Heart.”

This I said to Our Lord not only for the Mary Is God Dogma but also for the other messages and mysteries which Our Lord in His Infinite Mercy has granted me the knowledge and understanding of.

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By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21525 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:21:01 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21525 [The bulk of this comment and the following one consist in quotes from an unapproved and heretical private revelation.  AirMaria has edited the comments by puting the quotes in blockquote format]

How would you assess this? Hallucination or insanity?

Justice and Retribution

After the 1994 vision of Our Blessed Mother, I was drawn to an intense spiritual yearning. I made sacrifices such as fasting and prayers. I came to a point in my spirituality when I started to hate sinners because it seemed to me that they were insincere to God. I saw that people were not just ignoring and violating the commandments but that they were also abusing the Divine Mercy being offered to them.

I asked Our Lord why he has not punished the world instead. Then during those times I prayed or felt that way, I would suddenly see Our Lord standing in front of me in a very emaciated condition and wearing a rag torn in shreds. Everytime this happens, I would feel a very intense guilt and would prostrate myself before our altar at home and even sometimes in places not appropriate for such acts.

On several occasions, I would ask Him why He tortures me in such way when I sincerely loved and adored Him. I’d ask the Lord why He allowed Himself such treatment and why he shows himself in such manner. Once I said to Our Lord that He didn’t look like God anymore for He was in such a helpless condition, and that He looked more like a slave than a master. His body was bruised all over and I could see blood all over Him. The sight evoked in me the most intense guilt, unspeakable sorrow and anguish. But I didn’t know what to do then.

Often I would prostrate before the altar or wherever I was, for even when I closed my eyes the vision stayed. And besides, when these visions occurred, I did not want to stand on the same ground as the Lord, for I felt that I should always be below Him. Hence, if He was standing on earth then I should be buried underneath the ground or if He was standing on the altar then I should be at least prostrate on the floor.

Then after a long time, Our Lord finally told me that everytime I asked for justice or punishment upon sinners, I was in fact demanding for his crucifixion.

This was hard for me to accept then. For I thought that I was sincere in serving God and that same sincerity led me to conclude that men were abusing God’s Divine Mercy. So in revolt (May Our Lord forgive me for having done this.) I said to Our Lord that it would have been better if He did not give me eyes because those same eyes made me see what humans were doing to Him and His Divine Mercy.

And the Lord told me that Lucifer and those angels like him had the same complaint before the Throne of God. Our Lord and God Jesus Christ said that angels were not originally against The Most Holy Trinity. The rebellion was rather because The Most Holy Trinity created man, loved him, and forgave his sins.

Those were the hardest times of my life for then I saw an Infinitely Merciful God in contrast to an infinitely abusive mankind. On top of it all, I was told to forgive man and love him. Yet I thought, how can I possibly love those who persecute my God?

And sometimes because of these, I humbly and repentantly admit now and may God forgive me for what I have done, there were times when I felt angrier with God than with the sinners. For always, whenever I felt the urge to condemn men, Our Lord would immediately appear to me in that horribly emaciated condition and enkindling in me a feeling of intense guilt.

Amidst overwhelming anguish, I said to Our Lord; now I have become the worst of all sinners, for I am not only angry with men but is also angry with You My God. Yet, it was my love for You that drove me to wish the condemnation of sinners and now this same love has led me to the worst sin any creature can commit. I am angry with my own Creator. How can this be? Now the greatest sinners are in a better position than I am for surely You will forgive them as it is already obvious. But me, how can I be forgiven for being angry with You? Why did You allow this to happen, Lord?

Later, Our Lord revealed to me that it was His Will that I bear the same burden as that of the angles in heaven when they foresaw the injustice and abuse that God The Creator, would soon suffer from his creatures. This burden of loving and forgiving an abusive and sinful mankind, as revealed to me, was hell for the proudest of angels, for it required of them to swallow their pride and wore a crown of humiliation.

Of course, I chose to obey Our Lord and God Jesus Christ. Admittedly though, that choice was the fruit of a long struggle that lasted for months. The thought of our insincerity towards Our Lord and God Jesus Christ overshadowed me for quite some time.

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By: Fr Angelo https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21524 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:20:25 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21524 I agree that the local bishop should do something about it.

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By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21523 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:57:46 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21523 how about the 1 sheep out of the 100 that gets lost due to misinformation?

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By: Fr Angelo https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21511 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:33:50 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21511 Mike,

This problem has really only one issue:

1. The visionary is a heretic. Period.

rafael,

I don’t think the vatican will react, because it simply is not warranted. The local bishop should take the matter in hand.

I suppose there are a number of individuals who might be adversely affected by a false revelation so patently contradictory of the deposit of faith and common sense, namely, contradictory of monotheism; however, I don’t see the Vatican–whatever else might be the problems in the Church–getting all excited about something so ridiculous.

Furthermore, I have my doubts as to whether this individual is even serious. I would not be surprised if he is a college creative writing student having a little wicked fun with a religious hoax. There are precedents. I really have a hard time taking him seriously. And don’t forget the thing that gives a hoaxer the most pleasure is when he can get people to believe and take seriously the ridiculous.

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By: mike https://dev.airmaria.com/2008/02/13/news-cardinal-lozano-preaches-on-marian-co-redemption-at-st-peters/comment-page-1/#comment-21485 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:57:21 +0000 http://www.airmaria.com/?p=992#comment-21485 this problem has at least 4 issues:

1. the visionary’s claim.

2. the local diocese’s silence.

3. catholic’s ignorance.

4. vatican’s negligence and denial of the fatima message.

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